Pork Chop Politics
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***UPDATE***6.00pm
An alert about an article in Tranungkite received via email:
Saya kebetulan tahu benar tentang projek yang dimaksudkan oleh YB Teresa Kok dan YAB Menteri Besar Selangor. Ini kerana projek ini ditawarkan oleh syarikat kawan baik saya beberapa bulan yang lepas.
Untuk makluman RTM, projek ini diluluskan oleh kerajaan Khir Toyo 2 minggu sebelum pembubaran parlimen. Walaupun saya orang kuat PAS, saya menyetujui projek yang dicadangkan oleh rakan saya ini kerana selepas menelitinya secara terperinci, saya dapati ia amat berguna di dalam menyelesaikan kemelut yang dihadapi oleh umat Islam yakni isu pencemaran air.
Projek berteknologikan Jerman ini adalah satu sistem ternakan babi moden dan tertutup (closed system). Ini bermakna babi akan dipelihara di dalam tempat tertutup (lengkap dengan pendingin hawa) dan segala najis yang tercerna akan dikitar untuk pengeluaran gas (methane). Malah darah babi apabila disembelih pun akan menjadi sebahagian daripada kitaran ini.
Lantas tidak akan wujud lagi sebarang pencemaran (zero-pollution) akibat ternakan babi selepas ini. Pihak Jabatan Haiwan dan juga pegawai-pegawai kerajaan lain telah membuat kajian mendalam mengenai kesesuaian projek ini termasuk membuat lawatan ke Jerman untuk melihat sendiri bagaimana keberkesanannya. Mereka begitu kagum dengan apa yang mereka lihat dan bersetuju melaksanakannya di Selangor, dan jika berjaya akan dikembangkan pula ke seluruh negara.
Seperkara lagi perlu disebutkan bahawa usaha ini adalah di bawah pembiayaan swasta. Kerajaan negeri hanya menyediakan tapak projek. Orang-orang bukan Islam perlukan daging babi sementara kita perlukan air yang bersih dan persekitaran yang nyaman. Bukankah projek ini satu kompromi yang amat hebat untuk rakyat negara ini?
***UPDATE***3.50PM
PIG/PORK-RELATED DISEASES
From New York Times:
As a result, Dr. Lynfield said the investigators had begun leaning toward a seemingly bizarre theory: that exposure to the hog brain itself might have touched off an intense reaction by the immune system, something akin to a giant, out-of-control allergic reaction. Some people might be more susceptible than others, perhaps because of their genetic makeup or their past exposures to animal tissue. The aerosolized brain matter might have been inhaled or swallowed, or might have entered through the eyes, the mucous membranes of the nose or mouth, or breaks in the skin.
From CBC News:
China’s Ministry of Health has confirmed an illness that has killed at least 19 people involves bacteria that had spread among pigs.
All pork exports from the southwestern province of Sichuan have been suspended.
The disease has proved so deadly that more than a quarter of the 67 pigs confirmed to have it in the province have died.
The ministry’s website says, “Experts have initially diagnosed that the disease is caused by streptococcus suis bacteria infection.” It says the human infection occurred during the slaughtering or processing of infected pigs.
***UPDATE***2.55PM
From CBS:
(CBS) Tobacco, once the number-one crop in North Carolina, has now been replaced by something that’s causing the state an even bigger headache: hogs. Right now in North Carolina, there are more pigs than people.
Correspondent Morley Safer first reported on this story from North Carolina in 1996. Now, seven years later, nothing seems to have changed.
In fact, it appears to be worse, and new studies reported a few weeks ago by The New York Times indicate that there might be very serious health problems for people living close to the fumes from hog waste - a big problem for a state that right now has more pigs than people.
JY: Look, I don’t wanna live near a pig farm. So I can eat less pork if it means having cleaner air to breathe and less deadly diseases.
***UPDATE***2.43PM
From Rolling Stone:
A lot of pig shit is one thing; a lot of highly toxic pig shit is another. The excrement of Smithfield hogs is hardly even pig shit: On a continuum of pollutants, it is probably closer to radioactive waste than to organic manure. The reason it is so toxic is Smithfield’s efficiency. The company produces 6 billion pounds of packaged pork each year. That’s a remarkable achievement, a prolificacy unimagined only two decades ago, and the only way to do it is to raise pigs in astonishing, unprecedented concentrations.
Smithfield Foods, the largest and most profitable pork processor in the world, killed 27 million hogs last year. That’s a number worth considering. A slaughter-weight hog is fifty percent heavier than a person. The logistical challenge of processing that many pigs each year is roughly equivalent to butchering and boxing the entire human populations of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, San Jose, Detroit, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, San Francisco, Columbus, Austin, Memphis, Baltimore, Fort Worth, Charlotte, El Paso, Milwaukee, Seattle, Boston, Denver, Louisville, Washington, D.C., Nashville, Las Vegas, Portland, Oklahoma City and Tucson.
Smithfield Foods actually faces a more difficult task than transmogrifying the populations of America’s thirty-two largest cities into edible packages of meat. Hogs produce three times more excrement than human beings do. The 500,000 pigs at a single Smithfield subsidiary in Utah generate more fecal matter each year than the 1.5 million inhabitants of Manhattan. The best estimates put Smithfield’s total waste discharge at 26 million tons a year. That would fill four Yankee Stadiums. Even when divided among the many small pig production units that surround the company’s slaughterhouses, that is not a containable amount.
Smithfield estimates that its total sales will reach $11.4 billion this year. So prodigious is its fecal waste, however, that if the company treated its effluvia as big-city governments do — even if it came marginally close to that standard — it would lose money. So many of its contractors allow great volumes of waste to run out of their slope-floored barns and sit blithely in the open, untreated, where the elements break it down and gravity pulls it into groundwater and river systems. Although the company proclaims a culture of environmental responsibility, ostentatious pollution is a linchpin of Smithfield’s business model.
***UPDATE***1.49PM
I suggest Teresa, the lover of piggies and pork, lives next to a pig farm for one month. And see what she says after that. Why doesn’t she rear some piggy pets? Why doesn’t she have any non-Chinese full-time staff? Or does she? Is she a Malaysian leader?
ORIGINAL POST
Sometimes when people say DAP is a narrow Chinese party, I agree. Especially after Teresa Kok announced with great pride that a RM100mil ‘modern’ pig farm has been approved.
I think this kinda bak kut teh posturing is very childish and doesn’t take into account the feelings of Muslims. To most Muslims, pigs are really quite offensive.
I feel the new government should be a bit more sensitive in dealing with such issues to prevent one-upmanship as in “yay, the Chinese can eat more pork now”.
It’s well-known that pig farms are dirty and pollute the environment. They are also very profitable. Malacca, under Ali Rustam (BN-UMNO), probably has the most farms per square km, if I am not wrong.
My suggested solutions:
1. Move pig farms out of developed states to countries like Vietnam.
2. Farms should be more environmentally friendly and hygienic.
3. No need to glorify such a stupid approval. I believe Malaysians are more concerned about accountability, transparency, a better economy, etc.
4. Teresa should hire a PR agent, if she is serious about being a Malaysian leader. Btw, why are all her assistants Chinese? Please let me know if she has any non-Chinese full-time staff.
Read Khir Toyo’s response at his blog.
I say again, I find this piggy politics very childish. Dietary concerns are probably the last thing on the rakyat’s minds.
Also, pork is among the dirtiest of meats. Disease-ridden and smelly unless properly treated and cooked, we should probably ban the meat in the name of healthier living.
Jed,
Glad you brought up the subject, With a heavy heart, and with respect Theresa Kok, I have to agree with your observation that YB Kok is a chauvinist pig (pun intended). This is not the first time. Remember the nude squat case? When it was dicovered that the poor woman victim was a Malay from Temerloh, YB Kok immediately “buang kes”. You mean since the victim was a Malay, you dont have to pursue the supposedly altruistic “police brutality” any further ah?
Had the Selangor Government approved a RM100 million water buffalo modern farm, would YB Kok announce it with great pride?
On the other hand, YAB Lim Guan Eng went to jail defending a Malay girl.
i have been eating char siew since i was a toddler. i am still alive & kicking well into my adult.
if pork is such a dastard piece of shit - i would be dead now.
Pork farming is not dirty - it is the cleanest. Have you ever visited a pork farm in Netherlands? I have. If the farms are dirty & not well kept - then blame the government for the state of affairs. Mind you - it was Khir TOYOL himself who personally okayed this piggi$h project just before election. LOL.
“1. Move pig farms out of developed states to countries like Vietnam”
This is what I’m thingking yesterday (while driving)…
Pig Farm in Vietnam operated by Malaysian.
I think your thinking, mouth and pen is the dirtiest of all and I despise you for the way you condemn pork without gathering more knowledge of it.
Hello. I am a pork-eater. Just had my pork balls noodles this morning. But dun see the point of stuffing pork in people’s faces. At the same time, Muslims should learn to be less offended by pork.
jed, pork is the dirtiest of meat? i’m sure you would have done your research before writting that. pls share.
I am not particularly fond of pork but to breed pigs in Vietnam is definitely not right if pigs are dirty and spread diseases.You think vietnamese are not human beings.What make you think you can be a better YB than Theresa Kok?You got to be sensible in your comment.Millions of chinese are still alive after consuming pork as you said dirty and spread diseases.Dont try to please one particularly race.If you are so damn f* clean I am sure yours is the only fart that dont stink.
It is not what you eat, it is what in your mind.
Does one who is vegetarian a saint?
Why Vietnam?
the truth of the matter is - All agri-meat business is downright putrid these days.
Chicken, pig, beef — they are all there to maximised profit by way of lightning fast production. it ain’t no more farm - as in cows grazing in the meadows from sunrise till dusk.
Now it is all PUMP (with steroids & growth hormones. wonder why they are still HALAL..?) & dump to the consumers. no wonder modern man is a sick man.
used to take 120+ days for chicks to get to adult stage for slaughtering. NOW it is about 36-46 days. i am sure the fast food chains would like it down to 3 weeks LOL.
You people are eating toxic stuff - nasty. And you don’t even realise it.
If you think pork is dirty - try beef. One day you might wake up feeling giddy & then realise your brains have rotted away silently. Silent killers aplenty in this world of greed.
Poorly run pig farms produce unhygienic pork meat… With horrific brain-crawling worms. Worms in your brains!!!11111
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinosis
I favour genetic modification to make plants grow animal-like proteins. We shall eat the fruit of the chicken tree! Then even vegetarian Buddhists can enjoy yummy non-karmic-negative KFC.
Mock-meat and tofurkey will go out of business tho. Along with most of the farming industry until they switch to growing meat trees.
If you’re biology educated, you’ll also appreciate the huge reduction in energy waste - from the sun direct to the plant then to our tummies cuts out the 90% wasted energy that goes into cow/pig/chicken bones, movement, crapping, intestines etc.
Mat 15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Mat 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Jesus explains the parable
Mat 15:15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
Mat 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
What’s wrong with the state government working with private investors to modernise the pig farming industry ? This is solution exactly what non-political technocrats have been telling the BN governments for years, but no action all this time. “We know why”.
Pig farms in Malaysia are dirty, disgusting and environmentally disastrous - but they don’t need to be like that. There is industrial scale pig farming in Australia, Germany, France, UK and USA, but they absolutely don’t have the sort of environment degradation that we have here. The difference is in methods, processes, government regulations and - Yes - investments.
The large scale investment is in parallel with a strategy to phase out the unregulated “back-yard” pig farming which every right thinking person (and its not just Muslims) objects to. The PR Selangor State government should have taken more trouble to explain the two-pronged approach. “Lack of PR skills”.
Of course there’s politics involved. This was an arrow aimed straight at the moribund MCA. Remember a few months ago, MCA had to get down on its knees to beg Ali Rustam’s Malacca state government to give the Paya Mengkuang pig farmers a few weeks reprieve ? Yes, this was simply to contrast the difference.
KK46: Haiyah Ali Rustam. Go ask him how many pig farms he approved lah… All hypocrites lah. Come election only make it into an issue.
Also agree that large scale modern farms can be LESS polluting. But do we really need them in Selangor? Our most industrialised state?
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Regarding other comments on pig farms and pork being dirty. I meant literally, not on a spiritual plane.
Pork is disease-ridden. Lots of worms, bacteria, etc….
i still do think that PIG is a DIRTY animal… They eat about anything including SH*T… Cow on the other hand is known to be vegetarian… Just my 2 sen lah…
it’s obvious that with the state of regulation, monitoring and enforcement in this country of any particular industry, be it agriculture or transportation or tourism, the entire system needs a thorough review. even with a modern facility, it doesn’t guarantee humane treatment of animals. the roots of inefficiency, unaccountability, and apathy have had its grasp on almost all facet of malaysian life that we will continue to suffer from it in the future if it is not addressed. money first, materialistic mentality must change.
Jed, if pork is the dirtiest of meat, its because of the manner of farming used. I agree with moving pig farms into suitable areas. Otherwise pigs are not dirty. They can be even house trained as pets and are very intelligent.
Pork is not dirty even though the the OT’s book of Leviticus said so. There may be a hidden reason why ancient people forbade pork, apart from the hygienic angle but I shall not venture into that here, for now.
Scott, Buddhists are not vegetarians. The consume meat when it’s they but do not order animals to be slain for consumption. It’s also a question of non waste.
Sassy vegetarians of the faddist sort can be most irritating. Such should be carrying a backpack of veggies everywhere they go. This way there’s no abrasive running afoul of the normal human omnivorous food chain. If indeed the world is moving away from meat, however, I shall not not protest but until then, there’s no need for hardcore vegetarian to display their “moral highground” ostentatiously.
THE TRUTHS : ALL POLITICIANS ARE DIRTY PIGS.
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Without splitting hairs, let’s first agree that in this post two things jump out at the reader.
One- pig farms are DIRTY, the proposal for modern ones is STUPID
Two- move dirty pig farms to Vietnam. It’s the right place for stupid proposals.
What do you get, we don’t want dirty pig farms in Malaysia. Vietnam is the place for dirty pig farms..
The fact that we are talking about MODERN farms got lost.
Question: Does Jed know for A FACT that this RM500M moderns farm proposal is NOT be environmentally-friendly and hygienic?
Question: Why is a proposal for a modern (hopefully more hygienic and enviro-friendly) pig farm stupid?
Of course, I need to declare here that my family used to own a dirty pig farm. My siblings and I were able to get a good university education abroad (no place in local Uni for six of us lah!) because of those dirty pigs.
My cousin is a third generation pig farmer (inherited the biz lah!). He has three kids for whom he must provide an education.
Maybe he should close down his dirty lucrative pig farm. Learn (at the age of 50) a new, cleaner trade or buy some other cleaner biz. Hopefully the he can still manage to send his kids to Uni.
Oh, those poor viets.
re environmentally friendly and hygienic.
3. No need to glorify such a stupid approval. I believe Malaysians are more concerned about accountability, transparency, a better economy, etc.
4. Teresa should hire a PR agent, if she is s
Jed…Thanks for your entry…i fully agree the YAB MB of selangor must take full responsibility and not blame it on Khir Toyo. And i also can’t help but notice some kind of peculiar trend with subjects which miss Theresa Kok has chosen to champion. Whoaaarrr she so much like a DAP superwoman like that huh!!!
ps: i quoted your entry in my ‘ladang babi’ entry.
pakpayne
Teresa Kok can be such a bane sometimes for DAP/PR politics - she has showwn on numerous ocassions, her chauvinistic and narrow-minded tendencies. I used to post comments on Malaysia Today (pre-GE 12) but I decided to stop after finding it was turning into a forum dominated by racists/bigots/extremists from both sides of the political divide to expouse their hatred, racisim and bigotry!
Whilst we like to shout “Malaysia For All Malaysians”, politicians like Teresa Kok sometimes come across as odd/rude/uncompromising/even arrogrant with her insensitive posturing, quite similiar to UMNO YOUTH (just a matter of degree) and I find this rather embarrasing when I used to tell people to vote for a stronger opposition during the last GE.
Teresa Kok (and other chauvinistic DAP leaders/supporters) please grow up and open up your mind (and your heart). “Today’s winner, will tommorow, be a loser, for the times they are a changing”, so sang good old Bob Dylan - please take heed of his wise words!
We want to live in a multi-racial world, where everybody lives like brothers and sisters - “same same but different” (a famous Thai saying).
BTW, I love my pork chops, pork rice and pork noodles, but I would as much as possible, try to avoid eating them in the company of my Muslim brothers and sisters. A little sensitivity or a simple act of courtesy goes a long way!
And Jed, I don’t quite agree with your negative comments on pork - as a meat. I had lived in New Zealand for many years and on the farm where I used to stay, the kids there even play with their pet pigs!
move to Vietnam? why?
should we also move our waste water treatment to bangladesh because it’s dirty and smelly?
Jed,
I have been told many times, and I agree, that pork in the UK does not taste as good as the pork produced in Malaysia. Have you stumbled onto a trade secret here??
Anyway, why be surprised with the behaviour of YB T Kok? You have already described her in the past as “very Cina” and this is how most Chinese behave ie. not much consideration of other people’s feelings. (sigh)
I trust your poorly tummy was not due to eating too much pork!
Pax.
Jed,
I do not know anything about pig rearing technologies but I am sure there are ways of rearing the animal that can adhere to acceptable standards of hygiene and environmental protection. I remember a Muslim friend who graduated from UPM many years ago who specialised in animal husbandry including how to propagate the population of pigs.
Generally, I think Muslims abhor pigs is more a cultutal issue that religious. Many Muslims do “more sinful things” that eating pork. Thats a reality.
I think its a matter of making sure that its being reared in a hygienic and inoffensive way. The Muslims on the other hand should not be overly sensitive to it.
Agree with you on:
- Teresa Kok (and some other DAP leaders) need better PR advise, no need to be so chavinistic, not so smart
- Pig farming brings lots of money to the state as well. If we do not rear enough for our own consumption, we’ll have to start importing.
Disaree with you on:
- pig is not the worst meat- it’s chicken and duck
- While Selangor is quite developed, there’s plenty of land that allows the farming (pig/poulty/beef/whatever) to be carried out in a better way
But overal point made - DAP needs to be more smart about PR - they are not doing a good job in contributing to sustaining Pakatan Rakyat relations.
Sorry - typo: ‘Disagree’ with you on:
Do we have developed states?
Don’t be surprised Saigon will overtake KL in few years time.
Don’t be too arrogant.
“An Albanian of Muslim stock very likely drinks wine, eats pork, enjoys parties and marries someone from another religion,” said Artan Fuga, sociology professor at Tirana University.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20054-2005Apr1.html
I do hope that the approval of this RM100 million pig farm, will not pride her from her duties in making a continual effort to change how the current business politics work in Malaysia. and yes, i do agree with you in solution 3, it is not a necessity to glorify this irrelevant approval at this point in time even though it was not under her party who approved this project. Instead, i’m not sure if she have made it clear why this pig farm can benefit us for Malaysians, if so, how? MODERN is just not good enough.
Jed oh Jed, what in the hell on earth that u claim PORK is the dirtiest meat in the world.
Do u seen AXN Fear Factor, there is many indigenous HUMAN who ate grub, worms, insect and many form of disgusting food that u can imagine and u wanna tell me that roasted PORK is the dirtiest food in the world…
Oh setting up the plant in Vietnam, err Jed, u should visit Vietnam more and c what their local favorite delicacies hahaha plus, had u ever tasted Vietnam PORK? My colleague tells me, our PORK taste/texture losses to them in many par. But Jed! If u move a pig plant to Vietnam and import it back to Malaysia here ermm who is paying for the transport fee (shippings)? So it is proven that u r surely not well versed in the field in poultry industrialization rite (cost vs profit).
2nd thing is, it was MB Khalid Ibrahim of Selangor, a muslim who is approving the project and not Teresa Kok who had the last call so… The Selangor MB is a muslim or not 1st and wasn’t he aware of the issues sensitivity when it comes to implementation of it. If he was so insensible about his RAKYAT well-being then he shouldn’t be chosen by his RAKYAT too in the 1st place rite. Plus, initially they both were not CHAMPIONING about that issue, they only speak when SOMEONE else is making a big fuss over it to clarify the matter.
3rd thing is, I agree with most point of view, we group all the pig farms into 1 place and try to implement the system of clean and effective pig poultry in this country without polluting the environment by using OVERSEA technology (german, netherland, wateva land i dun care as long as the system is effective). Was this idea is better as compared to the current system or u got any other better ideas Jed, cause Vietnam plant is surely out of the question hehe?
4th and last of all, the Selangor state government wanna continue this project as suggested by the previous state government and so they should inform their RAKYAT about this matter rite. But problem is… the BN party is using this as an excuse to throw stinging remarks and the UMNO malays are saying that the PR government are being insensitive to the MUSLIM issue (muslim issue only, so health, hygiene, environmental and economic issue all we can discard away lo rite, typically BN haha).
Based on the blog reply I think, Jed u can identify what is ur mistake rite hehe
PS:
Erm Jed u should see more documentaries about pigs, pigs is among the smartest animal in the world and this is a fact cause scientist is using them as test subjects as well. 2nd thing is many FOREIGNER is western countries take pig as their pets and as their pet, sometimes they even allow the animal to sleep along with them in the same bed (it was just like cat and dogs to them). And lastly pigs, yes they are gullible animals but that doesn’t mean they like to eat CRAP as 1 of their food ok so get this issue clear (ohh yeah pigs nose is more sensitive than humans too). So my advice to Jed will be.. go c the movie BABE and more documentaries.
To suggest or even have a remote thought that pig rearing should be only carried out in Vietname is insulting to the latter. Do you mean to say Malaysians are better or deserve better, and the poor Vietnamese can take the shit, literally? Also, if you don’t like pork, you don’t have to say such negative things about it. I don’t eat pork, but I respect others who have the right to consume it. Sadly, respect is what is sorely lacking in our country.
Hi all
Wow looks like some of you are passionate about pork.
No doubt pigs CAN be clean furry animals, they are mostly dirty even in the wild and eat anything and everything…even their own waste.
Why Vietnam? Cos it’s not a Muslim country so there won’t be these religious sensitivities.
Pork a dirty meat? Please google online. It’s grimey, dirty meat. Prob just like most mass-produced meat but the worst.
I may agree with you on the fact that Teresa was a bit over joyed on the issue that Muslims will find otherwise. Instead she should have resonated for the 100M and its relevance in the state. But I have different opinion with you with regards to the proposed pig farm.
The farm is intended to resolve the many issues including environmental, hygiene and sufficient supply. Isn’t that important to ensure the farm to be run with no wastage released to outside or rivers as we have Muslims surrounded. Instead of supporting it why must there be this amount of commotion? Asking a country to move its’ poultry farm to another country is also not a wise things to do nor a solution for the state.
Teresa together with members have just taken up their new responsibility. Let us provide them with constructive views than opposing them right away. I wonder if some of us who don’t consume pork were to imagine the amount of total tax paid by pig farmers and pig consumers over the years in Selangor and other states, what would be the amount like … hundreds of millions? where the money now? Have Malaysians enjoyed part of them?
Ha ha .. Another Piggy Issue ha Jed…
Sassy Teresa Kok.. She really need a PR consultant lah..
And Damm it, some Malays voters are beginning to wonder if they did the right thing in voting for DAP and PKR last GE.
I will not be surprise if BN will call an early election for GE13!
We just look and see…
A heart doctor has given a patient a transfusion of pig’s blood in an operation that may pave the way for animal-to-human organ transplants.
Dr. Dhaniram Baruah, a London surgeon, injected more than half a pint of the blood into a man suffering from severe anemia.
Baruah, 50, says he has developed a method of preventing the rejection of animal tissue by the human body, and hopes to continue research on animal donors in human medicine.
The experimental transfusion took place when critically ill laborer Hussan Ali, 22, agreed to receive the blood last month in a last-ditch effort to save his life.
http://www.crt-online.org/121800.html
In the course of my duties, I once had to do a pig farm inspection about 30 years back at the Kan Gerh Farm.
Had to go through a disinfectant chamber so the pigs would not be infected.
I`m talking something like 30 years ago. The cost of a german imported porker for breeding purposes then was RM500k.
- Theresa Cock is indeed a PIG.
- You said: “Teresa should hire a PR agent, if she is serious about being a Malaysian leader.”. MyComment: Dont waste money hiring PR agent. Instead we should donate her a flight ticket to China, don’t ever come back.
- You said: “Btw, why are all her assistants Chinese? Please let me know if she has any non-Chinese full-time staff.”. MyComment: she doesn’t even have Malay friend.
- Theresa Cock (and some DAP leaders) are Chinese chauvinists. They never integrate. They don’t care about others. They are not Malaysians at heart. Some of them keep barking ‘Malaysian Malaysia’ but stil insist on more Chinese schools. Hypocrites. Jed’s concerns are true.
- Theresa Cock is kurang ajar. We can stand being shortchanged. But we cannot stand someone who is kurang ajar.
Next election: Vote Theresa Cock out. Slimy PIG.
ahhh these pigs, they are so dirty, move them to Vietnam. We can’t have them raised here, pollute everything…
ahhh these pigs, they are so dirty, can’t have them sold in the market, if people want to eat pork, they just have to mail order it from Vietnam, and make sure it’s a steel container carrying the pork, no leakage is allowed
ahhh these pigs, they are so dirty, can’t have them in M’sia, if people want to eat pork, they just have to travel to Vietnam, or may be Thailand and Singapore
ahhh these pork eating people, pig = dirty, pork in their stomach = they are filthy, better ask these people to stop eating pork, or well… just ask them to move to Vietnam… somehow they don’t fit in in a muslim nation, it is not that we don’t want them here, it’s just that they are so stubborn, insist on eating pork, offending everyone…
where-do-you-draw-the-line?
hi jed. there is nothing wrong to rear pigs to meet the demand of non-muslims in a muslim country. IT IS A SIN FOR ANY ALLAH-FEARING MUSLIM TO PREVENT NON-MUSLIMS FROM PRACTISING THEIR RIGHTS. that is very clear in the islamic teaching. and that is why….when PAS took over terengganu, the government allowed pig rearing again. my points are:
1) allah fearing muslims should not be offended with this issue, instead it is the responsibility of the government (esp if it is an islamic government) to ensure that the needs of non-muslims are protected
2) heck…still so many people are so scared of an islamic state!!!
Hi all,
I am surprised many focused on the religious aspect of this debate. When it’s clear that pig farms produce a lot of waste, pls refer to the Rolling Stone article above.
Moving to Vietnam, why not? Since we trade and they are not an Islamic country. We must think of Muslims who live near pig farms.
As some argued since modern pig farms are so environmetally friendly, yadda, yadda, Vietnam won’t have a problem right?
Anyway, our country should focus on other value-added industries not those which spread deadly diseases….
In defence of pigs:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/pigs/smart.html
Let’s all become vegetarians. All animal farms are somewhat dirty anyhow…
for a dirty pork related google, you can find equally the same amount, if not more, of dirty chicken, seafood n beef etc. it is the method of rearing that is wrong, not pork! pig eat their filth? chicken also eat their own filth what! they only well, how many ppl eat see ham? do u know what see ham eat? never heard of the song:
lang chiak ham ar lang chiak ham ar,
lang pang sai, lang pang sai,
ham chiak sai ar, ham chiak sai ar,
lang chiak ham, lang chiak ham.
dont just take pot shot at pork, pigs are clean animals. i want to own a piggy also but u think i can keep a piggy at my home without causing a commotion? it is the conditions of the farm which is deplorable! Pigs only eat its own feces under extreme unfavourable circumstances, so does cows and sheeps. dun la ask teresa to go stay near pig farm, actually the intention of turning that area into a high tech pig farm is exactly to reduce polution and desease la. why ask teresa to do other wise? no one ask Singapore PM to drink the citizen’s urine when the government decide to recycle them, but he has no problem drinking the processed newater, rite? so, it is only right to ask teresa to sleep beside the new proposed high tech pig farm area ma. right, right? u ask why not in selangor, i ask why not in selangor? dun transfer the pig farm to vietnam la, wait 5 yrs later vietman ppl complain about pig farm operated by malaysians, i’m sure you will have the news posted in your website saying malaysian are irresponsible lot. I think we are on the right track to clean up the piggy mess. take the mess by its …er…snout(?)…deal with it once and for all. if the high tech pig farm does not produce a cleaner environment, no need the malays to worry, u n i n the chinese will surely sama sama t* sama PR.
Pls dun swear. I dun have time to edit your comment and will just delete it.
In terms of stench from archaic pig farms, to the surrounding, so are some smallest kampong duck farms I’ve experienced in Kemaman, many years ago.
RPK says:
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Yes, this can go on and on. And as can be seen, values change depending on whether it is beneficial or unbeneficial to you. You ‘see’ pig farming as a right when it comes to political considerations. It is, however, a nuisance when it comes to your own backyard. How do you reconcile the mind of the voter? You can’t. And that is why Barisan Nasional needs to spin the ‘truth’ so that voters can be made to believe the government’s version of what is true and what is false.
http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/5894/1/
Tak fasal-fasal saya jadi penyokong Ali Rustam pula…
http://sebolku.blogspot.com/2008/04/saya-menyokong-penuh-langkah-ali-rustam.html
hehehe
Porky Politics:
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I would like to point to the MIC representative for Tapah that being elected representative, I am tirelessly working on the ground, helping the people where I can in KL. With the close to 60,000 voters in Segambut alone, I am rather tied down my time with the people than to say “hello” to Saravanan.
The utter disrespect the Ministry show for us the 10 Pakatan Rakyat MP by the way the meeting has been scheduled, left much to be desired and I seriously doubt their claim that they are here to serve the people. While Saravanan mentioned that this is how the government operate and ask us to “embrace” the system, I would like him to check his facts. The way the Government has operated in KL for many many years and working reasonably well was without having the FT Ministry, even less him playing second fiddle in it.
http://limlipeng.blogspot.com/2008/04/road-blocks-to-city-hall.html
..yeah people..
I dont see the author of this blog is referring to any religion or race perception…go back to her main concern- environmental and health risk issues …
I personally do not have any objection on Kerajaan Selangor to provide modern pig farm which is said to be a centralized farm for Selangor.When the proposed pig farm is built,no other pig farm shall operate except for the one they had in mind.So it is the duty of the kerajaan selangor to find solution for the pigs problem so everyone could live happily among each other.Pork-eaters could eat porks and the non-pork eaters(you just cant labels only the Muslims as non-pork eaters) are not “disturbed” by any encroachment from the pigs breeding.Like some muslims commentors being saying- if they take a look into a true Muslim Country principles- the rules must provide the needs of the non-muslims including the place for pigs breeding.
Personally thinking out loud- i dont think it is about whether there should be a modern pig farm or not that the non-pork eaters are objecting about.
It is more to :
a) The locality - which many belief it is not suitable because the residence population is majority among the Muslims (which until now we have no clear explanation from the Exco)..Even if we heard in the news (though how bullshit they are..)..the non-pork eaters were screaming not to built the pig farm in the same kampung Tumbuk..they ask to move out….go somewhere else..near pig eaterslah.Baru adil kan…Its like proposing a slaughter house for cow in our Hindu brother resnidental area.
b) The peruntukan of RM 100J- which many thinks its too early to spent the state money for such things as breeding pigs….it is wiserr if any private sector would invest in the project and not to use state budget.Not now..for pigs breeding.
c) like jed- many concerns about the environmental and health issues since Malaysia has yet to proof from its history of any success in handling pigs except for deadly diseases spread problem.
And im sorry to say that besides UMNO who cause the years problem…..I had to agree with Jed on YB T to get a PR agent.She really a mess man!I mean..look..we only have what..?…4 years to fill in the success after election? And she is too goofy of pushing on sensitive issues.Or at least she should get an advice from my former boss- YB Teng Chang Khim on how to communicate in multiracial community…please la someone advise her.
Germans ate the most pork of all until China’s economy started picking up.
Recent stats show that the rich Europeans still eat more per person than the stereotyped pork-loving Chinese:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork#2006_worldwide_pork_consumption
2006 worldwide pork consumption
Region / Metric tons (millions) / Per capita (kg)
People’s Republic of China / 52.5 / 40.0
EU25 / 20.1 / 43.9
United States / 8.7 / 29.0
Russian Federation / 2.6 / 18.1
Japan / 2.5 / 19.8
Others / 12.2 / n/a
Total / 98.9 / n/a
YB TK really set an example on DAP policies. Malaysian Malaysia eh? What a hypocrite. When will DAP stop being a chauvinistic chinese party? The Malay had started to regret on voting for DAP right now. Really need good PR to solve this mess.
Why doesn’t (and didn’t) Khir Toyol have any non-Malay full-time staff (now and when he was Menteri Besar? Is he a Malaysian leader as he claims to be ?
Please don’t keep picking on porkers.
Any domestic animal reared under unsanitary conditions can and will spread disease.
How about Mad Cow disease ? (Cows)
Or Bird Flu ? (Chicken and Ducks)
Foot and Mouth disease ? (Cows and Sheep)
Well, what about mad cow disease? Bird flue virus on chicken and ducks? I agree, everyone should just eat vegetables, problem solved because we don’t have have confront the disagreement.
The project was approved by the previous Selangor administration, the past MCA Excos confirmed that, let’s see whether they will come out to show the proof that Toyo was lying. If it is about hygeine, then let’s discuss it, no need to play up the issue at Utusan Malaysia and Berita Harian.
Actually Teresa has a non-chinese staff, his name is Bala or something…
I’m stunned that this post hit such an emotive nerve with many.
To me, eating pork or not is not such a big issue. I won’t die.
Actually, some commentators are right about modern animal farming. They are arguably inhumane. Some are filthy, breed disease.
Of course, all this comes back to the stoopid idea to mass produce food, which causes wastage, unequal distribution, etc…
does Jusoh, Badawi or KJ or Kerisamuddin has any chinese staff??
WHY THE BLATANT DOUBLE STANDARD IN YOUR ARGUMENT.
KHIR TOYOL OKAYED THIS PROJECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
simple sam, u r truly simple-minded. responding to racism with more racism is not the solution. khir has blogged that he only approved the technology and the method for identifying a suitable site. this, he insisted, is not approval for the project.
Animal Planet(via Astro) has shown how porky is extremely smart at problem solving - superior to even the mutt. It has shown how Porky makes an excellent house trained pet.
Readers Digest has a story in on issue last year about how one pet Porky defended some children from one mad pit bull despite been wounded, by charging it repeatedly until a friendly dog also came to everyone’s rescue and the mad one was eventually shot dead by someone.
Stop calling some animals dirty without using the provided human mind.
Who is narrow mind? One of God’s creation and if they are so dirty - why not let us wipe them out of the earth just like the yangtse river dolphins or the tasmanian tigers. In fact all kinds of creatures carried virus including men who are causing the death of fishes, animals and birds. we have the mad cow disease, bird flu diseases.
Jedy you better off enough to spend time on the beach whereas we know today rice is getting scare as Chinese and Indians are like you get better off to eat more, buy cars, use more petrol and coal power plants. You are enjoying life and cannot deny them the rights to match the standard of living. That is why land are getting scare and FOOD PRODUCTION is based on INDUSTRILISATION - like fish farming, oyster farming, cockle farming, hydronic for vegetables and this include Pig farming pattern on chook farming. In the past with plently of land, pigs and chicks are allowed to roam. Now chicks are caged. If pigs are caged, the products are better controlled as they are fed on grains rather than leftovers. If they eat grains like birds, how can the shits are unhealthy? Why not you live beside the vegetable plots? You still can smell animal manure unless you use artifical manure. But then you are destroying the earth using synthetic material. In fact, it is God’s wonder as how the nature cleans the toxic but filtering and Ozone from the sunlight as part of the cycling process. So let the pigs live unless one wants to become Nimrod.
Jed~
I think to blanket label pig as dangerous is overstatement. You have not visited any pig farm that is well taken care off. Smell is there and cannot be avoided (So is chicken poultry farm , right ? Diary farm and occasional cow dung smell ?)
But the waste are constantly being flushed and taken away to be treated.
Normally pig is not to be blamed. but the people that taking care of them should be the one to be blamed if the waste discharge/ condition not well kept.
By the way , pharma-grade Heparin (anticoagulant) agent is derive from Bovine cow lung or mucosal tissue from pig intestine. Yup, they are used to save life too.
Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heparin
Woody
Jed,
Talking about eating vegetarian, what about cow and goat eat grass to produce meat? Pig eat corn feed to produce meat ad so on…. Human and carnivours eat meat which were produced from greens and vegetables. So what vegetarians are we talking about. Everbody is vegetarians in one form or another…
As for Teresa Kok, she’s just a Politician so what’s the problem?
Jed,
You asked Teresa the pork lover to go live near a pig farm.
I think that is really uncalled for.
Before you make such statement, maybe it’s good to ask yourself first:
(1) Have you lived near a pig farm yourself?
(2) If your family live from the business of selling pork, would you react the same way?
(3) If we do not encourage a centralized and modern way of pig farming, do you think this will solve the problems related to pig farms?
(4) Bird flu killed many people too. Does that means we ban chicken farms?
(5) Nipah virus was also known to be transfered to pigs via the bats-contaminated fruits fed to them; thus came to human contact. Pigs are not the only carrier of this virus.
(6) Mad cow disease. How? Close farms again?
If you have not lived in a pig farm, don’t so arrogantly asked teresa kok to go try live near one.
Don’t insult those who live and earn living working in such farms.
Not everyone is born with special rights and have the chance to get higher education.
Some have to help out at pig farms.
Hey I am a malay muslimfor the last few month I was helping a pig farmer to control odor using Effective Microorganisms( EM) .It is very effctive and cheap. The EM is mixed with water and used to clean the stable and the pigs. The smell of ammonia gone in one week. The EM will go to the oxidation pond to break down the sludge and you have clean water with BOD less then 50 for discharge
wow…ramainya yg ingin berkata-kata…
She has the most winning majority in last election, 36K.
If she has no leadership value, how do you explain a non-BN MP winning by that much? Rigging?
Whether she is for all Malaysian or not, that’s up to her constituent to decide. Not you. Not me.
Instead of the Jawi roadsigns, she went around KL putting up multiracial roadsigns with BM, Chinese and Tamil lettering. Don’t ‘assume’ without checking first. Not all in Kinrara and Seputeh are Chinese.
If you claim she is only for Chinese and is not a leader for Malaysian, I suggest you bring that up with the people of Seputeh and Kinrara for it was them who voted her into power.
Maybe you can start your campaign and run against her in the next election. Dare to take up the challenge?
Show some respect for elected MPs who won through hardwork.
Bad move i would say. Next GE, BN will be back in power.
>>>khir has blogged that he only approved the technology and the method for identifying a suitable site. this, he insisted, is not approval for the project<<<<
and you believe him? who is the simpleton?
if he approved the technology - then it must be safe & hygenic - right?
By the same token, is it fair to assume, to put it mildly, that it is only fair that now cattle rearing should be allowed because Hindus don’t eat beef? Then, what about vegetarians? I supposed chicken rearing farms are a big no no too. To simplify matters, Malaysia should not have animal husbandry, nor vegetable farms. We can import!
Sorry, the line should read “..that no cattle rearing..”
Fact about pork, watch this…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2eEw26J0z8&NR=1
My comment may be late, but better than never
Yes, I agree with you that the Moslem in Malaysia especially need to re-define the stigma with PIGS.
Yup, that animal is Haram… and the only thing to do is just get away from it. That’s it….
Don’t consume and don’t get near that animal. It is as simple as that….
It just that, whenever the MOslem hear about PIGS, they simply jump from the edge and claim like it was a horrible thing.
I pity one girl who have a training session as Vet in one Pig Farm. These idiots call her stupid and such, but she’s actually studying the PIG. There is nothing wrong with that.
Our prophet even said - “I rather touch pig from touching women (bukan muhrim = takde relationship lah, to avoid further unnecessary vice, those days kan, u faham2 la)”
because touching PIG tak berdosa, just HARAM, but touching other woman (bukan muhrim) not just HARAM but berdosa…
we must change the mindset of Malay especially not to simply jump into conclusion and drastically against the PIG. Yes, by nature GOD create that animal to be naturally filthy and dirty… accept it and live with it. Dont blame the animal la dey! Study what that animal can do and do something…
Org kampung saya cakap, org zaman dulu tiru cara babi sodok tanah… then the people create a bulldozer to shove the soil…. imitating the animal act.
Orait, cheers
i strongly suspect this furore over piggies is misdirected anger. the chinese are so angry with the years of penindasan di bawah kerajaan BN yang zalim dan DEB yang tidak adil. but they have no way of expressing it legitimately as the DEB kononnya is part of some social contract to safeguard the special position of the malays and the fear of 69. so when a small matter like eating pork is further criticised, they just blow. it’s quite a normal psychological condition. u know, the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I think, Jed, you got it! I also think you have been a mite too harsh on Theresa Kok.
The advanced economies in this world eat pork and they will continue eating pork. These economies have developed their living culture on pork as a menu. So why raise this issue? Unless we admit that malaysians are incapable of adapting lessons learned from the developed economies.
The truth is we have not even attained the mindset of developed economiies and the key strategic thrust is to develop flexibility of thinking and consequently develop a flexible mindset. We all have to go back to basics and that is to live and let live and learn to develop a flexible mindset. The worst thing that could ever happen is to develop “TUNNEL THINKING” and that will be a potent diaster waiting to happen and all right thinking Malaysians should reject such thinking.
We all can continue to eat pork in Malaysia as we chose to eat it. Live and Let Live. However we should optimise on technologigal knowhow to create a healty and safe environment for eating pork.
END OF THIS ISSUE.
Wah. You say the end then the end ar. Other people may have a lot more to say-mah. Pork is their PRIDE. Don’t touch their cultural PRIDE ok. Everything is about CULTURAL PRIDE. In MALAYSIA.
WOW, SO MANY COMMENTS U’VE GOT….
SOME RATHER OUT OF CONTEXT))))
I REMEMBER READING FROM MY BIOLOGICAL TEXTBOOK; EVEN IF RAISED IN A STERILE ENVIRONMENT, SOME BACTERIA IN PORK WILL STILL BE PRESENT…..COULD’T FIND THAT BOOK NOW, OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE POSTED IT.
AND THEIR ORGANS R USED FOR TRANPLANT BECAUSE THEIRS R THE MOST SIMILAR TO HUMAN, NOT BECAUSE THEY’RE CLEAN OR ANYTHING )))PEACE!
lol
found all these comments rather amusing
no offense ya
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hmmm…. i only have one humble opinion… i mean instead of “kampung” style of pig farming, i believe it’s wise to go for modern technology pig farming…
try asking the koreans to stop eating dogs la.
Jade, thanks for being open minded towards muslim sensitivities. Go ahead, eat pork, wine and gamble, we don’t mind..as long as these activities doesn’t disturb your fellow muslim neighbours people. Your religion is yours to honor, our religion is ours to adhere.
To be honest, sometimes i wonder how pork taste and has no repulsion towards it personally ( pork chops looks good..) but the only reason i stay away from it is because Islam prohibits it so.. The finer details of its prohibition as you pointed out are many medical problems arise form pig rearing. Teania solium, jap encephalitis, MDR salmonella are just some examples of exclusive pig related diseases..
Go ahead and eat it, but do have empathy on your fellow muslims who have to samak themselves ( clean with 6 times water and 1 time earth mix water ) whenever they accidentally touch anything porcine, how would they feel living nearby a pig farm? Good idea transferring those farms to vietnam, whats the cost of harmony over some transportation cost.. Please respect our religion as you wish us to respect yours..we want harmony right, think with your brain, not your tummy people..
My father has been eating pork for the last 85 years and he is still in good health. Without pork, the price of the other meat will definitely increase and poor man like me will be the first mangsa. I read somewhere that it is also good for the brain so I wonder whether Einstein took any.
Talkin about mutual respect, I noticed beef is served at all functions where Hindus are present. Am I not right to say we are disrespectful to our Hindu friends although they have not complained openly.
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blong said, on April 11th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Jed,
Glad you brought up the subject, With a heavy heart, and with respect Theresa Kok, I have to agree with your observation that YB Kok is a chauvinist pig (pun intended). This is not the first time. Remember the nude squat case? When it was dicovered that the poor woman victim was a Malay from Temerloh, YB Kok immediately “buang kes”. You mean since the victim was a Malay, you dont have to pursue the supposedly altruistic “police brutality” any further ah?
Had the Selangor Government approved a RM100 million water buffalo modern farm, would YB Kok announce it with great pride?
On the other hand, YAB Lim Guan Eng went to jail defending a Malay girl.
Damn, it’s so true, what a double standard……sudenly all keep quiet about that…
myfred said, on April 12th, 2008 at 3:55 am
AND THEIR ORGANS R USED FOR TRANPLANT BECAUSE THEIRS R THE MOST SIMILAR TO HUMAN, NOT BECAUSE THEY’RE CLEAN OR ANYTHING )))PEACE!
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You said it right. While most ppl believe that Islam ask its adherents to stay away from pigs because they (the pigs) are dirty, I believe that it’s because their make-up is very similar to man. Which makes them a convenient medium of transfer for viruses from other animals to man. Does this mean that their flesh taste similar to human flesh?
jed…..walala……now i know secret to get a high hit….i will write about some ‘dirty animals’ next in my own blog….hehehe
and we are not short of such…..especiallly with lots of alternative media available …..
hey, good luck with the engineering of ur new site!
PP.