Malay Muslim: Outrage at the ‘Tattooing non-Muslims’ Video Clip
A Letter From Farouk A. Peru
I write this letter to express my utter contempt at the interview where it was suggested that if my fellow Malaysians who are not of the Islamic faith wished to ensure that they could never be mistaken as Muslims and buried as such, then they should tattoo ‘I am a kafir’ across their chests or foreheads. I speak as a Malay-Muslim who feels that the deplorable behaviour of these individuals is contrary to the Quran despite the notion they give us of being defenders of Islam.
The interview can be found here:
This interview conveys the poor estimation these people have towards their fellow Malaysians despite them claiming how much they respect Christianity. I call the readers attention to the following from the interview:
We are told that Christians are getting out of hand by poking their noses into Islamic affairs and pushing their religion down Muslim throats. The interviewee tells us that we must be vocal in expressing our faith and the interviewer supports him by equating this problem to an INJUSTICE (by quoting a hadith that if we see an injustice, we must stop it). We must now ask this interviewer, is it just for people to be inconclusively claimed to be Muslims post mortem, have their bodies snatched away from their love ones and buried in a Muslim fashion while a LIVING convert to Christianity cannot have ‘Islam’ deleted from her mykad. Why do you not speak out about that injustice, despite the Quran telling us to judge fairly even if against ourselves (4/137 and 5/8). Is this justice or just -US?
We are then told that Jesus was only sent to the Jews and it was due to Paul that Christianity is a worldwide religion. But wait a second, didn’t the interviewer tell us in part 1 that he didn’t like people poking their noses in Islamic affairs? Why is he allowing the interviewee to do the very same thing here to Christians? According to his website, the interviewee is also about to publish a book which implies that Christianity is a false doctrine by Paul. Will this book be published in Malaysia? If so, will Christians be allowed to write about what they think about Islam and Mohamed? Not likely.
The now infamous ‘joke’, where the interviewer calls for the tattooing of non-Muslims. The interviewer was said to be responding to the ‘hell no, I’m not a Muslim card’ which he finds to be offensive. I would like to ask him please, did this idea arise out of nowhere? It didn’t, it arose from the hurt feelings of our fellow Malaysians, people whose dignities were casually brushed aside as is now becoming usually the case. The interviewer then suggested that we adopt a method which ADOLF HITLER used to increase the efficiency of one of the most evil acts in human history, the holocaust. The interviewer now reframes this evil suggestion as a ‘joke’. If these are the defenders of Islam, Robert Spencer can retire safely knowing that his job is done.
One can also notice a few other things from the latest response of the interviewee in Malaysia-today:
He calls FFT an ‘anonymous chicken’ but forgets to mention that FFT lives in a country which does not respect the dignity of his people or their religion. FFT necessarily has to remain anonymous because this is the only way he can be safe. Perhaps the interviewee’s own bravery stems from the fact that he lives safely in a Malaysia where a Muslim can speak as he wishes to his fellow Malaysians? I would ask him to spout his views in a church in the Bible Belt.
He is very indignant at being called a Nazi and uses the opportunity to mention that Hitler was a Christian. Can we perhaps ask him, why then did his interviewer advocate the methods employed by the Christian Hitler? If Christianity was only for the lost sheep of Israel as they adamantly pointed out in the videos, why do they advocate copying their method?
He uses dirty, filthy words in his retort. The Quran calls those people who do not speak beautifully as the followers of the devils footsteps (17/53) yet this self-styled defender of Islam who feels even the Islamic authorities aren’t doing their job has no problem abandoning this rule to suit his purpose. I guess even God isn’t good enough to tell him off.
He wishes to give a ‘good hiding’ to FFT if he ever met him on the street. Does the Quran tell us to give good hidings when the conflict is of a verbal nature? He needs to consult (16/125) where he will find that the Quran telling us to argue beautifully, not to act like thugs.
This incident involving these two bloggers is very revealing indeed.It exposes a Malaysia where respect between races and religions (I mention ‘race’ here because very strangely in Malaysia, a Malay can never be anything else, constitutionally speaking, and the breakdown of Christian/Muslim relations would almost certainly equate to a breakdown in relations between Chinese and Indians with the Malays) is very clearly on a downward spiral.
To all right thinking Malaysians, but especially my fellow Malay-Muslims, I ask you to step up and demand an apology from these individuals. If we, the constituents of moderate, allow this incident to slip, then we can expect even worse incidents of disrespect in the future. Religious debates can be very enlightening but they must be done in a respectful manner, not carried out by self-styled individuals who have a poor grasp of reality and a poorer sense of respect. If these individuals refuse to apologise that we should boycott them, that is not to deal with them in any way or manner. It is our right, nay our civil duty to do this.
If the government truly wants a united Malaysia, it will have wake up to the fact that ALL Malaysians have a right to have their race and religion respected and treated with dignity. If the government only wants Islam to be respected, then this is the best thing they can do that. Islam itself has never commanded us to treat our fellow man with disrespect. The Quran tells us Allah has given dignity and honour to the children of Adam (17/70) and that believers must never deride or derogate other people (49/11).Muslims need to understand that the dignity of Islam must come from their impeccable behaviour. If they were to bring themselves down to the gutter by behaving like these two individuals, they can never expect to return to the Islam of Prophet Muhammad.
JY: Thank You, Mr Farouk, for your email.
Like you said, I too hope we will become a nation that will transcend race and religion. It’s 2008.
Reading Menj’s threats in Malaysia Today, I am comforted that none of my close “Malay” Muslim friends are like him. I hear PAS has also distanced themselves from these two extremists.
Let’s let this matter rest and treat Mahaguru and Menj as aberrations.
“He is very indignant at being called a Nazi and uses the opportunity to mention that Hitler was a Christian.”
That can only mean he is very frightened over the repurcussions of his failed foray into the world of comedy. But it in true fact was never meant as a joke. Both the 2 were serious about what they were saying. Only when it blew back, do they attempt to say it was a joke. They now are in maximum damage control and using `victimhood` as the agrieved ones - poor chaps being misunderstood etc. etc.
In this context it must be said that Menj used to be very proud of a picture taken (when he was young) with the wax figure of his idol Adolf Hitler. He used to falunt it 1in your face style`. It had him standing in front og good od Adolf with his biceps flexed.
That should help get Menj into perspective. To reiterate, what Menj said was not a joke. Both the 2 Islamic fighters believed every word they said.
2nd last para: “falunt it 1in your face style`. It had him standing in front og good od Adolf with his biceps flexed.”
should read:
“flaunt it `in your face style`. It had him standing in front of good old Adolf with his biceps flexed.”
Being a Muslim breaks my heart sometimes because of the company it means I keep. Keep up the good fight for equality in Malaysia!
Yesterday, I saw the Shah Alam Parliament seat candidate for PAS handing out leaflets to residence of Eng Ann town (Klang). Eng Ann town is a chinese - indian majority area. What suprises me most is that he was handing out the leaflet in the bak kut teh restaurant and at the same joking and shaking hands with the ppl there. i can see lotsa chinese uncle and aunty going ‘WTF?’ like they have seen a ghost or something. anyway, most of them warm up to him quite fast and began to smile at one another. Now it is time to criticise on some of the ah beng chinese who is still indifferent with their ‘kua si mi’ look while the other hand is accepting mandarins from PAS assistance. oh ya, they have a translater with them, a malay…i bet her chinese is better than mine :).
Hope that this is not just an election ploy but a genuine show of PAS respect for others lifestyle. now PAS is also doing the right thing to publically distancing themselves from MENJ. PAS 1 : BN 0
Jed,
I have just finished watching the video.I think the remark was made half in jest.From what transpired in the interview I can see the two are not very well verse in Islam.We shouldn’t have sleepless nights over their stupid remarks.
Judaisn,Christianity and Islam are kindered.Christianity is the offspring of Judaism.Islam is closely related to the two due to its acceptance of all the previous prophets including Jesus (Isa)as prophets of Islam.
Being the last of the three, you will not find a mention of Islam in the Torah or the Bible.The Koran accepted the other two books and its followers as Ah-al-Kitab(People of the Book).
Unfortunately many Muslims and Christians are not aware that Islam allows its followers to pray in a church if no mosque is available in the place they visited.Likewise, Muslims should not deny Christians to pray in a mosque if there was no church in the area they visited.That’s why the Pope went to pray in a mosque when he visited Turkey and some Middle East countries.
Many Malays Muslims in this country are confused and think that Islam is against Christianity and Judaism.What happened in the Middle East has nothing to do with religion, it’an ancient territorial claims that have been politicised in the name of Islam.
The terrorists who strapped bombs to their bodies and killed innocent people, use Islam to justify their action.These idiots think they are going to paradise when in fact they are destined for hell as Islam forbids its follower from committing suicide.
To say Christianity is a false religion is wrong and to say likewise about Islam is also wrong.
The two jokers do not represent Islam, what they do or say are their personal opinions.
I have many friends from other faith and many of my close friends are Christians.In fact, one of my good friends is a Catholic priest who is my fishing buddy.He has never talk about religion or try to convert me at any time that we are out together.
You get religious bigots from almost every faith, but more so in Islam due to half-baked imams, mullahs and ustazs who spread wrong teaching to the followers.
Ignorance is bliss, half a knowledge is dangerous.
Jed, good advice on “Let’s let this matter rest and treat Mahaguru and Menj as aberrations”. Let us not escalate the issue.
I am also worried about mahaguru whom I have known to be a decent moderate, a good blogging buddy from Penang - don’t know why he has recently gone feral but I reckon he’s in bad company.
“is it just for people to be inconclusively claimed to be Muslims post mortem, have their bodies snatched away from their love ones and buried in a Muslim fashion while a LIVING convert to Christianity cannot have ‘Islam’ deleted from her mykad.”
My answer :
Comparing the two issues is like comparing apples with oranges.
I thot all this “atrocities” occured under secular UMNO handling of the religious authorities? Why blame PAS for them? Has this ever happened in Kelantan or Terengganu when PAS ruled? I think Jed Loong is not very clear on who to blame.
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JY: I didn’t blame PAS for the body-snatching. I disagree with a theocratic Islamic state. Menj and Mahaguru are card carrying members of PAS and declare themselves to be part of some Muslim Bloggers Alliance. I really hope you are not from PAS…..
Furthermore, if PAS and UMNO is the same then why are they two separate entities.
JY: NEWS for you, PAS broke off from UMNO to form its own party. Even Mahathir briefly toyed with the PAS platform.
They are the SAME because RIGHT NOW both UMNO and PAS are Islamic. Before UMNO is seen as a secular party that keeps Islamisation at bay. Of course that changed when Anwar Ibrahim came along. But let’s leave the former deputy premier’s past alone.
Having said that, disagreeing with someone’s ideology doesn’t mean that we can’t be friends. Normally there are other areas of common interest.
But ingrained values and ideologies usually surface in times of stress. Your automatic and conditioned responses are usually based on such values.
Tks.
Also, the last person u should refer to on matters of religion is Farouk peru since he has proven many times that his understanding of the Quran is deficient
It doesn’t matter if their understanding is “deficient”. Contrast Farouk’s piece with that of Menj’s and Mahaguru. Which one shows a more developed, civilised mind and a more compassionate, understanding heart? Cheers.
Furthermore, if PAS and UMNO is the same then why are they two separate entities.- Abdul Rahman
You dunno till now. Nik Aziz already said that the day UMNO implement hudud PAS will dissolve and join UMNO.
Now you know, go and spread the good word.
Jed Yoong says:
“JY: I didn’t blame PAS for the body-snatching. I disagree with a theocratic Islamic state. Menj and Mahaguru are card carrying members of PAS and declares themselves to be part of some Muslim Bloggers Alliance. I really hope you are not from PAS…..”
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MY REPLY: In addition to being a PAS member they’re also “Melayu”. And in the Melayu culture, there is what we call “perli”.
The suggestion on the tatoo is exactly that, and not meant as a suggested policy. Look at the wordings especially when these wordings wre taken from a chat.
THe fact that this is made as an issue depicts desperation on the part of secularists
Dear Abdul Rahman,
Thanks for your comments.
I see where we are disagreeing here. It’s a cultural thing. It’s unacceptable to make such jokes or talk like that in civilised society. It’s considered rude. In the case of Menj’s “joke”, it is barbaric and reveals his perverse mindset.
Whether it’s a JOKE or NOT is irrelevant. It’s the content and manner. It was disrespectful and callous.
It is said that jokes are simply another way of speaking what one perceives to be true. There is always some truth to the joke. By making light of the matter — joking — you deflect the graveness of the matter.
It’s not funny to make bad, tasteless jokes. We don’t do it to Muslims when such jokes abound. Would you like it if I called Muslim women in tudung and baju kurung penguins to their faces? And I’ll do it all day, calling them penguins, ninjas, etc. You like it? Is it a funny joke? Would you like it if I joked that Malays are stupid. Every time I see a Malay I’ll say, “Hey Stupid, Just Joking-lah”.
In society, we need to behave ourselves. Respect others and others will respect you.
Thanks.
JY
PS. I don’t believe “Malays” are stupid. I’ve lots of successful “Malay” friends. Stupidity is colour-blind. Look at George Bush.
Jed YOong writes:
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They are the SAME because RIGHT NOW both UMNO and PAS are Islamic. Before UMNO is seen as a secular party that keeps Islamisation at bay. Of course that changed when Anwar Ibrahim came along. But let’s leave the former deputy premier’s past alone.”
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MY REPLY: HEre’s where you’re wrong. UMNO is not ISLAMIC. Umno is NATIONALIST SECULARIST with Islam being only a part of it’s nationalistic identity.
WHile PAS holds ISlam as it’s main guidance and reference, UMNO uses Islam as a means to stem it’s nationalistic idenitity.
In other words, Islam is not a guidebook for UMNO and as such they are free to act as they please, sometimes in the name of Islam.
PAS on the other hands measure their actions and beliefs according to Islam.
That is why there is no body snatching activities occuring in Kelantan and Terengganu as compared to other states controlled by UMNO.
Maybe u need to stop assuming and start working on facts
Get my name right.
Didn’t UMNO introduce Islam HADHARI? Isn’t that Islamic?
I think you need to accept reality.
Are you a PAS member or supporter? You aren’t winning me over.
JEd LOong writes:
“I disagree with a theocratic Islamic state.”
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MY REPLY: SInce when is an Islamic State theocratic?
Can u please enlighthen me?
Jed Loong says:
“Before UMNO is seen as a secular party that keeps Islamisation at bay.”
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MY REPLY: In other words, before UMNO was responsible for ensuring Muslims not being able to practice their religion in full.
Unfortunately, their effort had failed and now they’ve submitted themselves to the cause they once fogught against/.
It shows how unpopular secularism is among muslims in Malaysia.
Furthermore, since when is secularism tantamount to tolerance and stability.
If u asked the 1m Ukrainians massacared by the secular Lenin, they will disagree
Ha ha ha ha. Another fanatic! Oh my GOSH. IF Islam is popular, PAS would have won MORE states. Ha ha ha ha. It’s because the party’s ideology has no broad support that it’s stuck in Kelantan. Yo, man!
Farouk El Ghabi says:
‘We must now ask this interviewer, is it just for people to be inconclusively claimed to be Muslims post mortem, have their bodies snatched away from their love ones and buried in a Muslim fashion while a LIVING convert to Christianity cannot have ‘Islam’ deleted from her mykad. Why do you not speak out about that injustice, despite the Quran telling us to judge fairly even if against ourselves (4/137 and 5/8). Is this justice or just -US?”
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MY REPLY: My question to Farouk El Ghabi, what makes u think that they are INCONCLUSIVELY CLAIMED?
Jed Yoong says:
“Didn’t UMNO introduce Islam HADHARI? Isn’t that Islamic?
I think you need to accept reality.
Are you a PAS member or supporter? You aren’t winning me over.”
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MY Reply: About your name, sorry about the typo.
Secondly, If Islam Hadhari is Islam then i am the king of france
Third, i think you’re the one needed to accept reality. Muslims reject secularism because secular leaders of muslims have brought nothing but despair and failure to muslims all over the world. Even in Turkey, secularists are outrightly rejected becuase of their inherent failures and stupidity and Turkey is the birthplace of muslim secularism
Fourth, i think no one can win you over on the count that you are now in the mode of rejecting cold hard facts.
What i’ve presented above are nothing but facts, and some of my argument are ommttied and not published in it’s entirety
I ask why?
JEd Yoong says:
“Ha ha ha ha. Another fanatic! Oh my GOSH. IF Islam is popular, PAS would have won MORE states. Ha ha ha ha. It’s because the party’s ideology has no broad support that it’s stuck in Kelantan. Yo, man!”
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MY REPLY: PAS would if only UMNO didn’t start adopting Islam as their campaign tool which thus resulted in the confusion of the Malays.
BAsed on 2004, at the height of Pak LAh’s popularity, it’s safe to estimate that PAS enjoys 40-50% support from Malay electorate.
PAS lost out on non muslim votes because the campaign of misinformation was so great against PAS and PAS has no media to defend itself from.
UMNO kept coming out with ISlamic programs and agenda which shows their need for painting an Islamic picture of themselves and their leaders.
I can still remember pre2004 how the fact that PAk LAh is a son of an ustaz was played over and over again over the media
GIve PAS a free media and then we shall see who controls the Malay mind. I dare u
Don’t dare me. I would really like to hear PAS’s side of the story. The party looks very scary now. Esp if they are prone to making threats and getting emotional.
I can understand how the party feels under siege, battered and oppress.
I really doubt PAS will control the “Malay” mind. “Malays” are one of the free-est people in their hearts and minds. Most of those I know, and I know a lot, just pays lip service to the ideology. I hope Islam will not destroy Malaysians identity with Arabism.
For the record, “Malay” in itself is a flawed concept as it’s based on religion and skin colour.
So stop whining about the media blackout, it’s been around for over 20 years. So you guys should have found a way round it. PAS TV and Harakah Online are commendable. So work harder.
MY REPLY: My question to Farouk El Ghabi, what makes u think that they are INCONCLUSIVELY CLAIMED? - Abdul Rahman
Wow! The pralysed can walk around freely. This sure looks like a fan-a-tik on the walkabout.
And look at that rubbish:
“MY REPLY: SInce when is an Islamic State theocratic? Can u please enlighthen me?”
Looks like we got a troll here. Either ignore, or ban.
Jed Yoong says:
“I see where we are disagreeing here. It’s a cultural thing. It’s unacceptable to make such jokes or talk like that in civilised society. It’s considered rude. In the case of Menj’s “joke”, it is barbaric and reveals his perverse mindset.”
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MY REPLY: Blowing a joke like this out of proportions is not rude?
I question your standard of morality, it seems you have two sets of rule
In Malay culture, a “perli” has an imbedded message in it. We Malays are not people who comes out bluntly when we critisize others.
When we see a stupid idea, it is our culture not to come out and call it stupid. We imbedd it in our response and such response is called “perli”.
What those two people were doing is exactly what “perli” is and being Malays they cannot help themselves.
Their real message is, and you’ve all missed by a mile, is that the card idea to them is stupid and not practical.
It’s clear that people like you don’t understand the Malay language and i don’t blame you cause you are not born one.
But when another Malay tries to explain it to you, u should be willing enough to accept it as it is and not make smart remarks which tries to deny a fact.
And the fact remains that such suggestion is nothing more than a perli rather than anything else and should not be taken in literal.
Jed Yoong says:
” It’s a cultural thing. It’s unacceptable to make such jokes or talk like that in civilised society. It’s considered rude.”
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MY REPLY: Not only u insists we Malays change our religion, you also want us to change our language and culture.
What ever happens to tolerating one’s culture and heritage?
Trust me, what these people did was done out of their subconcious and not deliberately. They can’t help it because they are Malays.
I know that for a fact because I am a Malay too. ANd not only that, I scored A2 for BM at SRP level and A2 for BM at SPM level.
I know what i am talking about.
Also, i would like to test your knowledge of the BAhasa Malaysia. Can u please tell me what is the meaning of this particular peribahasa:
“nan pekak pelepas bedil, nan buta penghembus lesung, nan bisu penggera ayam, nan lumpuh penghuni rumah”
Please tell me what it means?
Jed Loong says:
“So stop whining about the media blackout, it’s been around for over 20 years. So you guys should have found a way round it. PAS TV and Harakah Online are commendable. So work harder.
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MY REPLY: Harakahdaily probably reach abt 5% of the Malays
Remember before 2004 there was a total crakcdown on Ceramah. So PAS basically got their hands tied and their mouth covered. Even then they got 50% or so Malay votes across the country.
Jed Loong says:
“For the record, “Malay” in itself is a flawed concept as it’s based on religion and skin colour.”
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MY REPLY: SO you deny the existance of about 18m people in MAlaysia of this heritage and culture and language?
It’s a FLAWED definition. It’s racist and just a ploy to steal from those who were richer at Merdeka. It’s a very sick way of robbing those who worked hard for their wealth. That’s all “Malay” means these days. It’s not even TRUE. Why must “Malays” be Muslims?
And the fact remains that such suggestion is nothing more than a perli rather than anything else and should not be taken in literal. - Abdul Rahman
That is a lie:
The eminent Islamic scholar W.M. Watt stresses Al-Ghazali’s Muslim orthodoxy. He says that Al-Ghazali was “acclaimed in both the East and West as the greatest Muslim after Muhammad.
Here is Al-Ghazali, evidently with no intention of departing either from Sufism or Muslim orthodoxy, writing about jihad war and the treatment of the vanquished non-Muslim dhimmi peoples:
[O]ne must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – primarily Jews and Christians] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…
[T]he dhimmi is obliged not to mention Allah or His Apostle…Jews, Christians, and Majians must pay the jizya [poll tax on non-Muslims]…on offering up the jizya, the dhimmi must hang his head while the official takes hold of his beard and hits [the dhimmi] on the protruberant bone beneath his ear [i.e., the mandible]… They are not permitted to ostentatiously display their wine or church bells…their houses may not be higher than the Muslim’s, no matter how low that is. The dhimmi may not ride an elegant horse or mule; he may ride a donkey only if the saddle[-work] is of wood. He may not walk on the good part of the road. They [the dhimmis] have to wear [an identifying] patch [on their clothing], even women, and even in the [public] baths…[dhimmis] must hold their tongue….
(From the Wagjiz, written in 1101 A.D.)
Al Ghazali viewed non-Muslim dhimmis as a typical Muslim theologian and jurist in the Abbasid-Baghdad Caliphate—who incited tangible dhimmi persecution, as Baghdad’s Obadyah the Proselyte, observed in about 1100 A.D.:
…al-Muqtadi [the Baghdad Caliph, 1075-1094], had given power to his vizier, Abu Shuja… [who required] each male Jew should wear a yellow badge on his headgear…and …a piece of lead…hanging round the neck …inscribed with the word dhimmi to signify [they] had to pay poll-tax.
Jews also had to wear girdles round their wastes. Abu Shuja further imposed two signs on Jewish women. They had to wear a black and a red shoe, and …a small brass bell on her neck or shoe… [to] announce the separation of Jewish from Gentile [Muslim] women.
He assigned cruel Muslim men to spy upon Jewish women, …to oppress them with… curses, humiliation, and spite. The Gentile population [mocked] all the Jews, and the mob and their children …beat up the Jews in…Baghdad…When a Jew died, who had not [fully] paid up the poll-tax [jizya] …the Gentiles did not permit burial until [it] was paid. If [he] left nothing…, the Gentiles demanded that other Jews should…meet [his] debt…in poll-tax; otherwise they …would burn the body.
General Zia—ul—Haq, former president of Pakistan sponsored one Brigadier Malik to produce an authoritative military manual on Jihad called The Quranic Concept of War.
Brigadier Malik assures us:
“Terror struck into the hearts of the enemy is not only a means, it is the end in itself. Once a condition of terror into the opponent’s heart is obtained, hardly anything is left to be achieved… Terror is not a means of imposing decision upon the enemy; it is the decision we wish to impose upon him.”
That is to say, the enemy should be made to live in a state of perpetual terror. We should be grateful to Brigadier Malik and the late General Zia for spelling it out with such clarity. We no longer need to grope in the dark to identify this ‘evil ideology of hate’.
The Quranic Concept of War is widely studied in Islamic countries. It has been translated into several languages including Arabic and Urdu (the official language of Pakistan).
Muslim leaders need to go beyond condemning violence and voicing grievances. They need to root out this evil from within their ranks. If they are really sincere about fighting terrorism, they should come out openly against the barbarism that is Jihad, and not hide behind vague statements about extremism and fanaticism. Mere lip service will not do.
A Mullah begins his career as a parasite, lives as a parasite and dies as a parasite, simply because he contributes absolutely nothing to the necessities of life, yet gobbles disproportionately more of whatever resources he can divour.
As a true parasite, a Mullah’s very survival depends on others. It is critical for a Mullah to procure and maintain docile obedient hosts. A flock of gullible ignorant fanatics make excellent hosts and the Mullahs’ main task is to keep the sheep in their pen by hook or crook. They scare the flock by horror stories of hell and entice them by the promise of unimaginable glorious paradise if and only if they behave and keep on supplying them with milk, wool and meat.
So, the infighting is all about survival. One bunch is having it all while another is sidelined. We must understand that there has never been one united house of the Mullahs. Mullahs are like packs of wolves. Each pack hunts and eats its prey. Packs of wolves fight one another for valued prey, particularly in the face of scarcity. - Amil Imani
http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=43&Itemid=2
More Mange jokes:
1. Jesus was a half naked man swinging on the cross.
2. Of what use is hindus/buddhists praying to idols, when if the idols were thrown into a drain, would not be able to rescue themselves when even a dog could.
3. Sikhs pray to underwear.
I scored A2 for BM at SRP level and A2 for BM at SPM level. I know what i am talking about. - Abdul Rahman
Narcissism is a terrible emotional disorder. Not all narcissists become famous leaders, but all of them destroy anything that is in their way. Con artists and pathological liars are often narcissists. Unfortunately there are plenty of narcissists in the world.
Narcissists seems to be doomed to suffer and make others suffer for the rest of their lives. They must hurt and destroy in order to feel alive. These words can be offensive to narcissists but they have the ability to feel great in a second. Narcissists may think of suicide or talk about it to gain sympathy but they never do it. (I must add unfortunately) They can destroy the world, but not their exalted self. Such a self is too important to be destroyed.
Are they naturally evil? No! They are victims of their faulty childhood upbringings. They were once innocent children who were humiliated, or conversely, their overly permissive parents did not discipline them and they grew up becoming boundary breakers and misfits.
What will happen if you follow a narcissist and adopt his worldviews? You enter in his bubble world and become a narcissist by extension. You stop using your own conscience and let him dictate his values on you. When a large number of people follow a narcissist blindly, the result can be catastrophic. This happened in Germany when the majority of the good Germans, fell prey to the big lies of a narcissist. The result was unspeakable atrocities that they committed and 55 million deaths. Once the influence of Hitler was removed, the Germans proved to be as good people as anyone else.
Hutch: “Looks like we got a troll here. Either ignore, or ban.”
Yes, he’s so yucky and vague on first reading but too undeserving of a second because it’s too fudged.
Hutch Run says: The eminent Islamic scholar W.M. Watt stresses Al-Ghazali’s Muslim orthodoxy. He says that Al-Ghazali was “acclaimed in both the East and West as the greatest Muslim after Muhammad.
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MY REPLY: Who is W.M. WATT? Since when is this guy an Islamic scholar? he sounds like an Orientalist than an islamic scholar.
There is an M. Watt that i know off and he is nowhere near to being an islamic scholar. He is an Orientalists and many of his criticism on Islam have been effectively rebutted.
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Mr Abdul Rahman, Pls try to remain civil and address the POINTS. Avoid personal attacks. Tks.
Hutchrun says:
Here is Al-Ghazali, evidently with no intention of departing either from Sufism or Muslim orthodoxy, writing about jihad war and the treatment of the vanquished non-Muslim dhimmi peoples:
[O]ne must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – primarily Jews and Christians] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…
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MY REPLY: The problem with this is there is no reference to which book of Al Ghazali that this reference is taken from.
Is it from the book “Al Ihya Ulumudden” or from the book “Tahafut Al Falsifah” or from the book “Al Munqih Min Dalal”?
It’s rude to accuse someone of writing something but fail to give evidence of reference?
As of now, i shall just assume that u took your reference from a secondary source, that is WM Watt a well known orientalist dedicated to spreading lies and deception on Islam
Hutchrun says:
“Al Ghazali viewed non-Muslim dhimmis as a typical Muslim theologian and jurist in the Abbasid-Baghdad Caliphate—who incited tangible dhimmi persecution, as Baghdad’s Obadyah the Proselyte, observed in about 1100 A.D.:
…al-Muqtadi [the Baghdad Caliph, 1075-1094], had given power to his vizier, Abu Shuja… [who required] each male Jew should wear a yellow badge on his headgear…and …a piece of lead…hanging round the neck …inscribed with the word dhimmi to signify [they] had to pay poll-tax. ”
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MY REPLY: Again no reference. I assume it comes from a secondary orientalist source.
Not a very credible source since orientalists have been proven to be a confused lot time and time again.
sorry hutchrun, i think you’re barking up the wrong tree
Plus, u need to answer this: Why is it that in the Sahifah Madeenah there is no mention of Dzimmi?
Also, should the story above is true, why is it that the rule only applies to Jews since there are so many other types of Dzimmis under the rule of the Islamic empire i.e. hindus, Christians, Zorostarians etc.
hutchrun says:
General Zia—ul—Haq, former president of Pakistan sponsored one Brigadier Malik to produce an authoritative military manual on Jihad called The Quranic Concept of War.
Brigadier Malik assures us:
“Terror struck into the hearts of the enemy is not only a means, it is the end in itself. Once a condition of terror into the opponent’s heart is obtained, hardly anything is left to be achieved… Terror is not a means of imposing decision upon the enemy; it is the decision we wish to impose upon him.”
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MY REPLY: Yet, Zia ul Haq is seen as a hero in the western world for being instrumental in defeating the Russians in Afghanistan.
The issue of jihad was never an issue when it was used against the Russians.
Yet, when it is turned against the Americans, it suddenly becomes a taboo?
Why then back in the 80s the West does not make an issue out of it?
I wonder
hutchrun says:
“The Quranic Concept of War is widely studied in Islamic countries. It has been translated into several languages including Arabic and Urdu (the official language of Pakistan).
Muslim leaders need to go beyond condemning violence and voicing grievances. They need to root out this evil from within their ranks. If they are really sincere about fighting terrorism, they should come out openly against the barbarism that is Jihad, and not hide behind vague statements about extremism and fanaticism. Mere lip service will not do.”
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Mr Abdul Rahman, Pls address the POINTS. Don’t say Hutch is not credible, his knowledge is limited. Just refute with your side of the argument, preferably substantiated with some links. Cheers.
Hutchrun says:
“A Mullah begins his career as a parasite, lives as a parasite and dies as a parasite, simply because he contributes absolutely nothing to the necessities of life, yet gobbles disproportionately more of whatever resources he can divour.
As a true parasite, a Mullah’s very survival depends on others. It is critical for a Mullah to procure and maintain docile obedient hosts. A flock of gullible ignorant fanatics make excellent hosts and the Mullahs’ main task is to keep the sheep in their pen by hook or crook. They scare the flock by horror stories of hell and entice them by the promise of unimaginable glorious paradise if and only if they behave and keep on supplying them with milk, wool and meat.”
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MY REPLY: Looks to me like you’re defining Liberal scholars in western universities.
Mr Abdul Rahman, Please substantiate your claims. Tks.
Jed Loong says:
“Mr Abdul Rahman, Pls address the POINTS. Don’t say Hutch is not credible, his knowledge is limited. Just refute with your side of the argument, preferably substantiated with some links. Cheers.”
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MY REPLY: How come u don’t ask for links from hutchrun? Why the double standard?
As for all your “requests” i see no justification for me to follow them as i have done nothing wrong.
It’s only because i represent a different view that u are subjecting me to such ridicolous rules.
Prove it, Jed. No evidence no need for me to abide.
You can ask hutch. I’ve deleted quite a lot of his views. Sometimes I may miss stuff because there are too many comments. I apologise if so. I’ve also amended and deleted a lot of profanities and name-calling in his comments. Also, he’s a regular commenter, so he’s fairly credible. HUTCH, just a gentle reminder to substantiate your arguments with links as you normally do. Really appreciate it. Cheers.
abdul rahman: “The issue of jihad was never an issue when it was used against the Russians.”
That was the expedient rule of the game of the Cold War that clouded the inner issue.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006445.php
(It’s no ’spiritual struggle’
http://www.historyofjihad.com/
(A long and comprehensive list)
Jihad has always been a scourge throughout history but civilized societies tend to prefer forget about its ugly history. It appears that they now can’t afford to.
Zia ul Haq was one big rogue and the first to impose islamic law in Pakistan. Thereafter that country started to go downhill real fast.
I’m sure Hutch can provide the clamoured for URLs abou Al’ Ghazali but if he does, they would expectedly just be dismissed/denied.
MY REPLY: The problem with this is there is no reference to which book of Al Ghazali that this reference is taken from. - Abdul Rahman
It is from Al Ghazali`s own writing in the Wagjiz and the source is provided.
It is apparent that you deny what is in front of your own eyes. Some form of dissimulation. You are a very rude person. i can accept that. But why prove your stupidity as well.
When I talk of the quranic Concept f war by Brigadier Malik you start squirming some nonsinse on Russians. You are a classic example of what Raja Petra says `You can take the Malay out of the kampung, but you cannot take the kampung out of the Malay`.
Your insular thinking is deeply entrenched. Others must live by your rules. A real frog under the coconut shell.
Some of my `posts` that were removed showed your type out to be truly what you represent. Bigoted,and blinkered minds running rampant.
MY REPLY: Looks to me like you’re defining Liberal scholars in western universities. - Abdul Rahman
Silly twit you are with that comment. A mullah is equal to a liberal scholar. ROTFL. I have heard donkeys bray, but this one, oh boy it`s a classic in negation.
Even an ass has more respect for itself.
Mr Abdul Rahman, Pls address the POINTS. Don’t say Hutch is not credible, his knowledge is limited. - Jed
I cannot help it if Abdul rahman is not well learned on the points raised. The `Quranic Concept of War` is standard military issue amongst the Pakistan Armed Forces who do not take advise from Abdul rahman of a kampung in Malaysia. many kampung boys have gone to pakistan to get `learned` on finer points.
Abdul Rahman should get more info from the. Btw Abdul, old chap, Pakis and I speak the same language. So I know considerably more about them then you of them.
Consequently, I also know what they say of your kind.
And as Abdul rahman needs links on his `peace` movement, please note that despite all that nonsense, millions know of the truth in the fascism. Abdul can enjoy himself with these:
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/moghal_atro.html
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/Chele-kula.html
http://www.fisiusa.org/fisi_News_items/Godhra/godhra0145.htm
So Abdul rahman you can try hard to defend the undefendable. But as you can see there is much unshakeable documented evidence that you are running blind, and franly, never in the next thousand years will you be able to delete it.
For the further education of Abdul Rahman here`s another link:
Modem writers by and large including modem apologists of Islam state that AyAts on jihAd were revealed� to the Prophet after his migration to Medina. They explain that jihAd was the last course to which the Prophet was forced to resort because his peaceful preaching in Mecca was not only rebuffed but also met with persecution by the Meccan pagans. They locate and give a count of the Ayats on jihAd in the Medinan surAhs. Brigadier S.K. Malik has collected these Ayats in the context of military strategy; they add up to 267 spread over 17 sUrahs out of around 1457 Ayats spread over 23 sUrahs which were received by the Prophet at Medina.
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/tcqp/chi3.htm
it is most interest that this Abdul Rahman is unable to actually refute the sayings of Al Ghazali, but he attempts to discredit questioning its legitimacy. Fine. We allow him the rope long enough.
Now we come upon the source:
Kitab al-Wagiz fi fiqh madhab al-imam al-Safi’i, Beirut, 1979, pp. 186, 190-91; 199-200; 202-203. [English translation by Dr. Michael Schub]
Yeah Abdul Rahman uses the typical lowbrow tactics.
Hi abdul rahman…nice questions.When ppl are prepared t criticise they must be prepared to accept too.you are the man.keep it up
Abdul Rahman making fun of Farouk Peru show Abdul is like Menj. Same kind thinking.
PAS say this on hindus:
“…Kitab-kitab agama Hindu ini walaupun telah dirubah dan dikotori dengan begitu teruk…”
http://pasnationalunity.blogspot.com/2007/12/pas-indian-supporters-bridging-earth.html
Abdul Rahman don`t lie. We hindus also know about what you all say and hate hindus. Only stupid hindus get conned by PAS.
Only stupid hindus get conned by PAS. — Kesava
Then vote for UMNO. They are the ones contesting against PAS, not DAP.
hutchrun says:
“It is from Al Ghazali`s own writing in the Wagjiz and the source is provided.
It is apparent that you deny what is in front of your own eyes. Some form of dissimulation. You are a very rude person. i can accept that. But why prove your stupidity as well.”
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MY REPLY:: Am sorry hutchrun, in the discipline of Islamic scholarship, when we quote from someone, we will give every detail possible including it’s publisher.
For instance, if i am quoting from the book “Sahih Muslim” i will give:
a. PAge Number
b. Hadeeth #
c. Who is the publisher (i.e. Darul Miftah of Lebanon)
d. When it is published
e. Who is responsible for doing the “At Tahqiq” (Abridgment from it’s manuscript. In the case of Sahih Muslim, a famous tahqiq is from Dr Syed Ramadhan Al Buti)
f. Did i mention which page
and many more. This is to:
a. Facilitate reference to those who reads it
b. To proof that such passage really exists
I’m sorry but your reference is not valid at all.
The burden of proof is on you right now and it seems you’re comin’ in short.
REmember, u have made a very heavy accustaion against Al Ghazali and u need to substantiate.
Furthermore, in the tradition of ISlamic scholarship, we do not refer to just ONE scholar.
Usually what is always done in Islamic seats of learning, all opinions are collected from all scholars throughout time.
And then only an issue is concluded.
THat’s just a brief introduction of Islamic scholarship.
Suffice to say we don’t depend on flimsy and half baked work
hutchrun says:
“Silly twit you are with that comment. A mullah is equal to a liberal scholar. ROTFL. I have heard donkeys bray, but this one, oh boy it`s a classic in negation.
Even an ass has more respect for itself.”
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MY REPLY: I was there in the 90’s in the States when all of the liberal programs and policies were torn apart and proven to be faulty and a massive failure.
It’s not a secret anymore, that all liberal programs are nothing more then ideological rants subjecting the state to sponsoring their agenda for the sake of their liberal ideology.
So, a liberal scholar in Ivy LEague universities in the US is worst then a “mullah” since a Mullah doesn’t cost the state billions of dollars, anyways.
It’s a mind boggling thing that in seat of learning throughout the Western world, conservative scholars are rarely given tenure or contracts to serve. This trend continues until today.
As for respect, u need to get your facts straight first before anyone can spare u anymore respect.
AS of now you deserve none
hutchrun says:
“it is most interest that this Abdul Rahman is unable to actually refute the sayings of Al Ghazali, but he attempts to discredit questioning its legitimacy. Fine. We allow him the rope long enough.
Now we come upon the source:
Kitab al-Wagiz fi fiqh madhab al-imam al-Safi’i, Beirut, 1979, pp. 186, 190-91; 199-200; 202-203. [English translation by Dr. Michael Schub]”
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MY REPLY: Now i can comment cuase i know where the source is.
In actual fact, the real source used by Hutchrun is an Anti Islam website ran by former muslims called “islam watch”.
THe url is given here :http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Sufi-moderate-Al-Ghazali.htm
The original writer’s name is Alyssa A. Lappen and it seems she must’ve gotten it from Wilkepedia.
Now, this is also another problem with people nit picking on sources of Islam.
What is NOT mentioned by any of the writers is that these are MERE SUGGESTIONS by the JURISTS and not SUPPORTED by any TEXTS from Al Quran, Al Hadeeth, Ijma or Qiyas.
It doesn’t even fall under Qiyas.
From my own study, it seems that such suggestion was made during the time of the Abbasid Chaliphate in which the Non Muslims (or DHimmi) were seen as potential rebels against the state. Such suggestion is made in response to the dhimmi’s acts of treatchery against the state at that time.
However, the collection of Jizya under the 4 Caliph, The Ummayah, early Abbasids, and Ottoman was never done in the manner quoted.
As i know, the Ottomans had cancelled the Dhimmi status of all non muslims later on and there was no dhimmis afterwards until today.
As for this day and age, and in the context of Malaysia, dhimmis is irrelevant. Because there is no conquered land or states.
Remember, dhimmis are people who lived in conquered lands. They are not indigenous people living in the Islamic states
Maybe hutchrun can quote from other scholars who talks about treating dhimmis with kindness and gratitude.
In other words, the content is in abundance and more than such reference
That’s why earlier i mentioned, we do not take just one opinion of scholars when we derive conclusions.
hutchrun says:
“They explain that jihAd was the last course to which the Prophet was forced to resort because his peaceful preaching in Mecca was not only rebuffed but also met with persecution by the Meccan pagans. They locate and give a count of the Ayats on jihAd in the Medinan surAhs. Brigadier S.K. Malik has collected these Ayats in the context of military strategy; they add up to 267 spread over 17 sUrahs out of around 1457 Ayats spread over 23 sUrahs which were received by the Prophet at Medina.
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/tcqp/chi3.htm”
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MY REPLY: Again, Hutchrun didn’t answer my earlier point.
This document was made in the context of the Afghan wars against the Soviet invasion.
BAck then, such document was never looked upon with a frown. In fact, Zia Ul Haq and his officers were seen as heroes as they serve the interest of the West.
My question right now is, why is it that now it’s a big issue?
Maybe Hutchrun can answer that question first.
Second, Brigadier Malik can take any verses in the Quran as he likes, but is his interpretation considered to be authoritative in Islamic scholarships?
Was he given a PhD by any ISlamic academias anywhere in the world for this work?
BArking on the wrong tree I see
dear Hutchrun,
I also referred to Yusuf Qardhawi’s book entitled “# Yusuf al-Qaradawi “Non Muslims in Islamic societies” (Arabic)”
http://www.qaradawi.net/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=1301&version=1&template_id=93&parent_id=1
In the section “Al Jizyah wal Kharaj” there is no references made or commented about as u have highlighted below.
It shows that these are just mere opinions that circles around individual opinions of scholars at that time.
THe name of the book is:
كتب: غير المسلمين في المجتمع الإسلامي
Sigh, Abdul oh Abdul, I don`t give a rat`s behind where you quote Al ghazali from. The fact is you have been given the page on which it appears. I`m not at all interested in making the structure of quotes my bleeding ambition.
The kitab has been printed by the beirut university, the moslem conquerors of yore followed it to the letter. If you want to live in denial that`s your business. but don`t go around trying to bullshit.
BAck then, such document was never looked upon with a frown. In fact, Zia Ul Haq and his officers were seen as heroes as they serve the interest of the West.
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I agree with you 100% on that. The West has been idiotic, and continues to be idiotic. Look at that idiot Bush with his `Religion Of Peace` rubbish. Absolutely stoopid. He desrves a good whipping.
And they will pay for it miserably, of that we can be very sure as the days go by.
See we can agree on some things.
Then vote for UMNO. They are the ones contesting against PAS, not DAP.- rakyatbiasa
Where did you crawl out from. you haven`t been following closely. PAS and UMNO are the same.
Between the 2, the best thing is not to vote. A low voter turnout amongst the registered voters is also not good and has loaded meaning.
Oh now we go pussyfooting with Qaradhawi, the millionaire mullah with his own TV station, and whom even DSAI refused to meet in Mecca after his Munich operation because of the mullah`s bloodthirsty proclivity for blood sports.
This is a blog in English, and suddenly we see vermicelli crawling. But then earthworms is considered a good industry for small villages.
Wah! very long chain of comments. Me not as good as the 2 stars commentors here. Me very simple minded also. I look at things going on currently and at heart and ask ‘why like that 1? why body also wan to snatch??’. in so far, i see no straight answer. *sigh*
Ha ha ha.
Will you be quoting multiple Islamic scholars, the Koran and hadiths too? Spare me. This is not Menj’s or Mahaguru’s blog. Let’s keep discussions secular. Ha ha ha.
[...] 7R(M) is like pouring petrol to a fire…..I also see some hate speech mongers in this post by JY. I suppose JY’s post illustrate that even if you want to be neutral and even you want to [...]
hutchrun says:
“I agree with you 100% on that. The West has been idiotic, and continues to be idiotic. Look at that idiot Bush with his `Religion Of Peace` rubbish. Absolutely stoopid. He desrves a good whipping.
And they will pay for it miserably, of that we can be very sure as the days go by.
See we can agree on some things.”
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MY REPLY: The Jihad of ZIa Ul Haq was welcomed by all, conservative and liberals alike.
For instance, Rambo 3 showed Omar Sharif declaring their struggle as a holy war(Jihad) and at the end on the film, it’s stated the entire film is dedicated to the valiant people of Afghanistan.
Why the double standard? That’s my question.
It’s not just Bush
hutchrun
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Oh now we go pussyfooting with Qaradhawi, the millionaire mullah with his own TV station, and whom even DSAI refused to meet in Mecca after his Munich operation because of the mullah`s bloodthirsty proclivity for blood sports.
This is a blog in English, and suddenly we see vermicelli crawling. But then earthworms is considered a good industry for small villages.
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MY REPLY : You don’t like Arabic yet you want to talk about Islam. Why?
Isn’t the Quran sent down in Arabic? So, since the concept of DHimmi or Jihad which youd dread so much comes from the Quran, knowledge of the Arabic langauage is essential, don’t u think so?
Or are u rested by just referring to secondary sources only
Htuchrun says
“Oh now we go pussyfooting with Qaradhawi, the millionaire mullah with his own TV station, and whom even DSAI refused to meet in Mecca after his Munich operation because of the mullah`s bloodthirsty proclivity for blood sports.”
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MY REPLY: Millionaire mullah? Why do u say that? Is it because he lives in Qatar? In Qatar an average Qatari lives like a millionaire compared to other muslims.
Having a TV station? AL Qardhawi? In Qatar? Are u serious?
Besides, nowadays having a satellite TV station is not a big deal because it’s cheap and it’s abaundant.
Rest assured that Qardhawi is not a leech as compared to so many liberal scholars sitting it various seats of learning across the western academias
Islamophobes are angry with Qardhawi because most of the time their understanding of Islam is found wanting by Qardhawi.
THat explains the personal attacks deployed by Hutchrun
hutchrun says
“Where did you crawl out from. you haven`t been following closely. PAS and UMNO are the same.
Between the 2, the best thing is not to vote. A low voter turnout amongst the registered voters is also not good and has loaded meaning.”
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MY REPLY: Actually PAS and UMNO is not the same.
Proof: Body snatchings incidents only occured in UMNO controlled states.
U don’t see that kind of thing happening in PAS’es states.
Second proof: PAS’es document on Islamic State states that there is no dhimmi
UMNO’s Islamic state says there is
There’s more but let me stop at two first
Jed Yoong says:
“Ha ha ha.
Will you be quoting multiple Islamic scholars, the Koran and hadiths too? Spare me. This is not Menj’s or Mahaguru’s blog. Let’s keep discussions secular. Ha ha ha.”
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MY REPLY: Yet we’re talking about Islam. THe source of Islam is Al Quran, Al HAdeeth, Ijma and Qiyas.
If we don’t refer to the primary source, how can we be sure that our understanding of Islam is correct?
It so happens, all of Islam is written and documented in the Arabic language.
on Dhimmis
What i’ve read and understood that most of the sources taken from the internet on dhimmis are taken from Orientalist sources and very few from primary islamic soruces.
For instance, the Wilkepedia page on Dhimmi heavily quotes from Bernard Lewis. I think easily half of the reference is from Bernard Lewis.
But, when i read the book كتب: غير المسلمين في المجتمع الإسلامby Al Qardhawi, I didn’t find such references made by Bernard Lewis
It’s clear in the book of AlQardhawi that the rights of non muslim is guaranteed in the Islamic states from a Fiqh perspective.
“Uncle, I invite you to follow me to Parliament on Feb 16, 2008. If you follow me, the children and I will be safe and the people of Malaysia will understand the meaning of human rights better.”
http://malaysiakini.com/news/77869
The same child, daughter of Hindraf Chairman Waytha Moorthy, was fielded by Hindraf on January 22 to petition Mr. Abdullah. On that day, her hand-written letter, requesting the Prime Minister to receive a bouquet of roses from her and other children on February 16, was delivered to his Private Secretary.
http://www.hindu.com/2008/02/07/stories/2008020755191500.htm
Lulu’s Telling Ya, It’s Only Going To Get Worse
http://whatalulu.blogspot.com/2008/01/lulu-wants-to-see-books.html
A good thing the reply was not the people in Taman Seputeh are given free Jawi lessons and the Mayor will nod his head and say yes.
Islam Hadhari is being ridiculed and does the Mayor understand this. What religion suggests signboards must come in a certain language.
http://aarvidi.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/islam-hadhari/
Bibles Confiscated at Airport in Malaysia
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia, February 5 (Compass Direct News) – A customs officer on January 28 confiscated two boxes containing 32 Bibles at a low-cost carrier terminal from a citizen returning from a trip to the Philippines, further troubling Malaysian Christians beset by government curbs on press and religious freedoms. Online news agency Malaysiakini reported yesterday that Juliana Nichols produced a letter from her parish priest stating the English Bibles were meant for use in her church, but a customs officer told her the texts needed to be cleared with the Internal Security Ministry’s Control Division of Publications and Al-Quran Texts.
http://www.persecutionblog.com/2008/02/bibles-confisca.html
Christian Tribe Sues Malaysian Gov’t for Destroying Church
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080116/30875_Christian_Tribe_Sues_Malaysian_Gov‘t_for_Destroying_Church.htm
February 7, 2008
Chong sues CM Musa in suit over halted statue project
He also asked the court’s declaration that a July 28, 2006, fatwa by the state mufti that the statue project was contrary to Islamic teachings was unconstitutional and infringed upon Article 11 of the Federal Constitution.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/2/7/courts/20259242&sec=courts
09 December, 2007
Kota Kinabalu: A police report has been lodged against Sabah Mufti, Datuk Haji Ahmad Alawi Haji Adnan for issuing a “fatwa” (religious decree) that forbids religious statues or replicas of human and animals in public places close to the road.
http://thieneleventhhour.blogspot.com/2007/12/worst-bigot-award.html
Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:00pm IST
KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Malaysia’s government should stop harassing Christians by seizing their Bibles especially at entry points, the country’s biggest church group said on Tuesday amid a new furore over the imports of the holy book.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-31774220080205
“…Kitab-kitab agama Hindu ini walaupun telah dirubah dan dikotori dengan begitu teruk…”
http://pasnationalunity.blogspot.com/2007/12/pas-indian-supporters-bridging-earth.html
[O]ne must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. - Al Ghazali
In 1987, as UMNO Youth Chief, Najib defended special Malay privileges in a speech where he vowed to bathe the keris (Malay dagger) with Chinese blood. Shortly afterwards, the government launched a crackdown on extremist elements, termed Operation Lalang, although Najib was not detained.[1] At the same rally, banners were hoisted carrying phrases such as “revoke the citizenship of those who opposed the Malay rulers”, “May 13 has begun” (referring to the May 13 racial riots in 1969), and “soak it (the keris) with Malaysian Chinese blood”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Najib_Tun_Razak
Pious Muslim or a Hypocrite?
Let the pictures and the videos do the talking. Why would a pious Muslim favorite these ?
Anonymous said… I doubt menjy is any more religious than I am. He is merely a low rate blogger seeking controversy as part of his attempt to get more hits and adsense income. It is as simple as that. The more you give him coverage the more he jerks off watching his web counter grow.
Blogger walski69 said… And this is definitely not the first time he’s erased evidence, and then tries to put the blame others… It’s par for the MENJ course…
http://bytemuncher.blogspot.com/2008/02/pious-muslim-or-hypocrite.html
I am very confused. Farouk claims that the Quran allows people to change their religion.
Yet in 02:54, the Quran talks explicitly about the punishment for those who worships other than Allah SWT
02.054
YUSUFALI: And remember Moses said to his people: “O my people! Ye have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf: So turn (in repentance) to your Maker, and slay yourselves (the wrong-doers); that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker.” Then He turned towards you (in forgiveness): For He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
So, all i see is just contradictions on the part of Farouk Peru